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Latest News : Algae and Oestragen and Arsenic, Oh My!
Posted by admin on 2008/3/8 6:00:00 (1484 reads)



In which Gary boggles our minds with some bizarre claims.

By Julia

You may remember that during his "demonstration of psychic surgery" held at St James' Church last month Gary made some startling health-related claims:

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Soya milk and goats’ milk are high in oestrogen, which can cause breast cancer.


A Google search for soya milk/breast cancer produces stacks of contradictory evidence:

http://www.healthcastle.com/soy-breastcancer.shtml

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20010324/food.asp

http://www.naturalnews.com/001276.html

http://www.itmonline.org/arts/soyup.htm

The verdict seems to be...erm, that the jury is still out on this one.

There is far less controversy concerning goat's milk, although it's worth remembering that ALL milk contains oestragen.

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Blue algae is good for Alzheimer’s.


Actually that should be "blue-green algae". Again, we're faced with a bewildering array of contradictory evidence. Blue-green algae causes Alzheimer's or cures Alzheimer's, depending on which study you read:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-4293242.html

http://brainbank.med.miami.edu/x63.xml

http://www.raysahelian.com/bluegreenalgae.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE2D81030F934A3575AC0A961958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

http://www.tldp.com/issue/167/algae.html

It seems to be a case of six of one, half a dozen of the other.

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Microwave cookers kill germs but also everything in the food.


A perfect example of the grossly simplistic statements much loved by the woo merchants. Read these articles for a more balanced view:

http://www.consciouschoice.com/2001/cc1411/healthconscious1411.html

http://home.lewiscounty.com/~georgie/micro/microall.html

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The oranges we buy in the shops are injected with arsenic.


This sounds so much like a classic urban myth I half expected to find it on the excellent www.snopes.com. Unfortunately it wasn't there, and it took me quite some time to track down what I believe to be the source of this claim. Tom Roberts (in his "bindeweede" persona on the UK-Skeptics Forum) found an article that linked arsenic and oranges but didn't mention injections:

http://www.twnafrica.org/news_detail.asp?twnID=810

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Obuasi’s poisoned fruit

An impact assessment study carried out by a team of researchers in Ghana on mining points to various environmental, social and health problems in catchment areas of mining activities, writes * Yao Graham.

There is a local belief that oranges from Obuasi, site of AnglogoldAshanti’s main mine in Ghana, are very sweet. Now we know they are poisonous. Tests carried out on a sample of oranges from villages close to the mine have found startling high toxic levels of arsenic, mercury and zinc. The zinc found in the fruit was 5 times the level permitted by Ghana’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and 8 times higher than the stricter level imposed by the World Health Organisation (WHO). The amounts of mercury were 5 times the EPA levels and 26 times above the WHO level. The level of arsenic was 24 times higher than the EPA level and a staggering 1226 times the WHO level!


However, I think it's more likely that the story originated here:
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/category/environment/health-safety/page/3/(my bolding):

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‘Fruit vendors on the streets of Bangladesh (allegedly) inject unsanitary water in to the fruits to increase the weight and make more profit’ – said the public health nurse in a small town of a southern state.

During a visit to the pediatrician’s office for a routine check up for my little girls I was given a pep talk on maintaining hygiene with ultra effort while visiting my hometown Dhaka.

I casually mentioned to the good doctor that my kids don’t get to enjoy their heritage as often as we’d like them to, so we are very excited about our planned trip to Dhaka this year. This launched an unprecedented cautionary tale by the doctor and the nurse alike.

As I had promised the Doctor I visited the nearby public health department that has an oversea travelers clinic. There, the nurse went a notch up and started educating me on do’s and don’ts while in Dhaka. She pulled out a fat binder that contained pages of pages of alerts issued by Center for Disease Control (CDC) and then there were some prints of comments posted by people recently visiting south Asia. One of them caught me by utter surprise and embarrassment…

The posting alerted people to not eat juicy fruits like watermelon or oranges or grapefruit because those could be doctored with unsanitary water injected via syringe.

I was stunned. I heard about the doodh-wala (milk-man) adding water in milk and all sorts of other “bhejal” mixing policies that are commonly practiced by the vendors in BD – but to actually inject water in fruit! I couldn’t believe my own ears. After all, fruits were always considered “safe to eat”. That was the only thing that my parents would allow me to buy from vendors (of course you had to wash them before eating) during tiffin-time in school.


This 2006 blog entry is immediately followed by:

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British Geological Survey (BGS) a branch of the British agency the Natural Environment Research Council (NERC) ran tests in groundwater in Bangladesh in 80’s and failed to detect arsenic.

The upper house of the British court recently threw away the case of Sutradhar vs NERC, where Sutradhar – a resident of Brahmonbaria district (one of the places worst hit by arsenic poisoning) and a victim or aesenicosis sued the NERC, holding them responsible for failing to report high concentration of arsenic in natural groundwater.


It isn't hard to reconstruct the chain of thought that gave rise to the claim mentioned by Gary:

Street vendors in Bangladesh supposedly inject fruit, including oranges, with insanitary water to make them heavier and more expensive (for local consumption).

The water supply in parts of Bangladesh is polluted with naturally occurring arsenic.

Therefore oranges are injected with arsenic.

At some point during the development of this story the oranges sold by street vendors in Bangladesh morphed into those "we buy in the (Western) shops".

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In America, a dog was drained of its blood, transfused with sea water and went on to live for 9 years.


This also sounds like an urban myth but there seems to be an element of truth in it. Or does there? From http://seashellsandsuch.com/articles...rlikeblood.php

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I've read that seawater is chemically similar to blood -- is that true?

Actually, it is! It's even been used in transfusions in emergency situations when blood or plasma wasn't available and the patient needed to have his blood volume maintained.

Sea water is remarkably similar to blood in many ways. When comparing the concentrations of various elements in seawater and blood, we find that the two most common elements in each are Chlorine (Cl) and then Sodium (Na). Together they make Sodium Chloride (NaCl), or common table salt. The concentrations are higher in seawater than in blood, though. When it's been used for transfusions seawater needs to be diluted in fresh water first.

After Na and Cl, as you go to the lower-concentration elements the two liquids start to differ in their elemental concentrations as far as which is where on the list, but the next-most common elements or compounds in both are Sulfate, Magnesium, Calcium, and Potassium. So they actually are very similar.

The pH range (a measure of acidity or alkalinity) of seawater is normally 7.4 - 8.2, while in blood it's 7.38 - 7.44 (the body keeps this in a very tight range).

It's thought that seawater and blood used to be much closer in composition when organisms that eventually became land mammals developed in the oceans eons ago. Over time the oceans are believed to have risen in elemental concentrations (become more salty) as more elements dissolved and washed off of the land from the action of rainwater and into the sea.

When you look at the rarer elements in blood, you begin to find wider variations from what's in seawater. So it's certainly not identical to blood.

But it has been used in transfusions, both in emergencies and in medical experiments.

Experiments were run on dogs in the early 1900s to test diluted, filtered ocean water as a substitute transfusion liquid. An early experimenter named René Quinton and his team drained all of a dog's blood and replaced it with the seawater solution. The dog lived, and on the second day after the transfusion, half of its normal blood components had returned, regenerated by its body. By the fourth day its blood was back to virtually normal and the dog was active and full of energy and happy. The dog went on to live for many years afterward, with no visible problems as a result of the experiment.

[Website author's note: I'm not a doctor, but I would have thought that totally replacing an animal's blood with seawater wouldn't have worked at the start, because real blood uses hemoglobin to carry lots of oxygen to the tissues. Perhaps the seawater was highly oxygenated at the start, and the dog was breathing pure oxygen at the start also. I haven't read the details of the experiment so I really don't know.]

Not long after this surprising result was found the research was dropped, as World War I began and the researcher Quinton was drafted into the military. He later died in 1925. Similar tests were run by others who had read of his experiments, as late as 1969, with similar results.

As far as is known, no controlled experiments on humans have recently been attempted, as medical science has now developed safer, better-controlled alternatives. We now know that sea water contains many viruses, bacteria, and similar organisms that don't belong in a living organism's bloodstream unless there are no better options available.


It seems as though the experiment may have taken place after all. But there is nothing "magical" about it - the dog's blood regenerated by itself (although it's hardly seems likely that this could have happened in a mere four days). We're not being asked to believe that the animal lived for another nine years with pure seawater coursing through its veins. However, there are some problems with this reply. The two most common elements in blood and seawater are Hydrogen and Oxygen, not Chlorine and Sodium. It also seems rather odd that no data is available on similar experiments carried out as recently as 1969.

I asked members of the Bad Science Forum (http://badscience.net/forum)
for some assistance. "Jellytussle" had this to say:

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For starters, seawater is not isotonic wrt blood or tissue fluid. Cannot remember if it is hypo- or hypertonic but a large infusion of seawater would likely cause cell lysis and some unhealthy fluid shifts.
I have dim and distant memories of a zoology lecturer going on about the conundrums of the non-isotonicity of seawater with most vertebrate sealife.

Do not confuse seawater with medicinal saline, which is commonly used to rehydrate or maintain hydration. If a patient is shocked or bleeding badly and there is no blood available then saline, or preferably some sort of starchy plasma expander is infused as fast as possible. The aim in this situation is to keep the blood pressure up so that the organs remain perfused, even if the remaining blood gets so diluted that it starts to look a bit like cranberry juice. Normal haemoglobin concentration is about 12, but a reasonably fit person, or presumably dog, or if one believes their literature any Jehovah's Witness, can survive for short periods with a Hb of <3, though they will not feel very sparky.


Unless Gary knows more about Rene Quinton's experiment than he's letting on - which is unlikely, because even the most cursory Google search would have told him that it took place in France, not America - it looks as if we'll have to file it under "doubtful".

When Gary was asked to produce evidence for his transfused dog and injected oranges he replied on www.spiritlove.freeforums.org (my bolding):

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For comment like the oranges and the dog - These bits of information were passed onto me from ,someone who does have a medical knowledge. Infact both comments came from the same person. I fully trust this person and as you see from the evidence presented the orange claim is true. However if you listen to my talk you will find that I clearly state this is my opinion it is not backed up by any medical evidence so take what you want from it.


"Someone who does have a medical knowledge" need not be a doctor. The fact that Gary fully trusts this person is neither here nor there. Before making scare-mongering claims about arsenic-injected oranges at a public meeting Gary should have researched the subject himself, not merely quoted someone who may have no more specialist knowledge than the proverbial bloke you met in the pub.

And savour the sheer "words-mean-exactly-what-I-want-them-to-mean" hypocrisy of the next bit:

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"...as you see from the evidence presented the orange claim is true".


You didn't present any evidence whatsoever, Gary. You simply made a statement and expected the audience to believe you.

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"However if you listen to my talk you will find that I clearly state this is my opinion it is not backed up by any medical evidence"


Hang on a minute - didn't you just say that you presented "evidence" in favour of the claim being "true"?

Gary, in your eagerness to avoid personal responsibility for anything you say you are spouting pure gibberish. That claim must be either "true" and based on "evidence" OR "my opinion...not backed up by any medical evidence". You can't have it both ways.

It has to be said that evidence is one of the many words that Gary seems incapable of using correctly. In his article in the current issue of Highspirit magazine he says:

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My approach to all spiritual matters is very down to earth and I like to see the evidence.


Indeed, evidence is so important to Gary that he was most indignant when sceptics began to investigate his claims: http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1229&page=22:

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Even going as far as to believe things that aren't true without evidence...


Yet after his lies and evasions had been exposed Gary added this comment to the home page of www.garymannion.com:

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For those who believe and know the work of spirit is true no explanation is needed. For those who do not believe no satisfactory explanation can be given to satisfy your dis-beliefs. For ignorance is Bliss!


Confused? Aren't we all...

But back to Gary's final comment on that "spiritlove" thread:

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so take what you want from it


Gary, I'll do exactly that. I'll take it that you're so accustomed to dealing with credophiles that you don't feel the need to do the most basic research, keep track of your lies or ask yourself hard questions - you know, questions like "Is it possible that my 'gifts' may be no more than carefully nurtured delusions?"

Still - why not? After all, you know there are organizations like Alternatives eager to pay you for this nonsense. And venues like St James' Church whose owners appear to be untroubled by the ethics of giving you a platform.






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Chris French Challenge To Gary Mannion
December 11th 2007,
Prof' Chris French
issued a challenge to Gary Mannion to prove his claims, the challenge was accepted. This challenge was repeated on February 4th 2008, and was accepted again.

A member of the BadPsychics site has agreed to put up £50,000
of his own money if Gary can pass a test demonstrating his abilities.

Will Gary ever actually go through with the challenge? We will keep an eye on how long it takes for him to go through with it.

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